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		<title>By: Grant Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34669</link>
		<author>Grant Stone</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34669</guid>
					<description>I agree, although for me, the social commentary aspect of a good zombie movie comes at the top of the list.  Last year, inspired by Shaun of the Dead, I went back and watched the original Romero trilogy again and was really impressed at how much of the original Vietnam and consumer culture themes still stand out.

One other point is that, in most cases, the zombies aren't a problem.  Sure, get too close and they'll eat you, but it seems possible to live in relatively close proximity to them, long as you have a good place to hide and don't get too cocky.  It's always the humans getting careless or being attacked by fellow humans that *really* brings everything down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, although for me, the social commentary aspect of a good zombie movie comes at the top of the list.  Last year, inspired by Shaun of the Dead, I went back and watched the original Romero trilogy again and was really impressed at how much of the original Vietnam and consumer culture themes still stand out.</p>
<p>One other point is that, in most cases, the zombies aren&#8217;t a problem.  Sure, get too close and they&#8217;ll eat you, but it seems possible to live in relatively close proximity to them, long as you have a good place to hide and don&#8217;t get too cocky.  It&#8217;s always the humans getting careless or being attacked by fellow humans that *really* brings everything down.</p>
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		<title>By: tobias s buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34721</link>
		<author>tobias s buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34721</guid>
					<description>The original Romero does stand up extremely well.

And good point about zombies not being the big problem, yeah, you're right :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original Romero does stand up extremely well.</p>
<p>And good point about zombies not being the big problem, yeah, you&#8217;re right <img src='http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Jessup</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34820</link>
		<author>Paul Jessup</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34820</guid>
					<description>Well, Romero really transformed the Zombie flick.  I mean, the older stuff (like Hammer's Zombie films) didn't have quite the madness, the chaos.  And didn't have that post-apocalytpic feeling.  In fact, I think Romero was more inspired by Matheson's I am Legend than anything else (esp since at the start of the book the vampires hadn't evolved yet, and they were just shambling screaming hungry creatures).

The first Romero flick is still my favorite.  A brutal display of racial tensions that exist(ed) (and still exists, but more covertly) in America.  The ending is truly poignant.

And yeah, the humans are the real enemies.  Esp in Dawn of the Dead (or was it Day of the Dead?  The one where they were in a mall), when they were perfectly happy and safe until the Biker's came in.  Which was probably one of the best scenes in Zombie films of all time.  Bikers splattering zombies in the faces with pies?  Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Romero really transformed the Zombie flick.  I mean, the older stuff (like Hammer&#8217;s Zombie films) didn&#8217;t have quite the madness, the chaos.  And didn&#8217;t have that post-apocalytpic feeling.  In fact, I think Romero was more inspired by Matheson&#8217;s I am Legend than anything else (esp since at the start of the book the vampires hadn&#8217;t evolved yet, and they were just shambling screaming hungry creatures).</p>
<p>The first Romero flick is still my favorite.  A brutal display of racial tensions that exist(ed) (and still exists, but more covertly) in America.  The ending is truly poignant.</p>
<p>And yeah, the humans are the real enemies.  Esp in Dawn of the Dead (or was it Day of the Dead?  The one where they were in a mall), when they were perfectly happy and safe until the Biker&#8217;s came in.  Which was probably one of the best scenes in Zombie films of all time.  Bikers splattering zombies in the faces with pies?  Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34832</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34832</guid>
					<description>I agree with the pro-Romero sentiment, although I wasn't terribly impressed with "Day" or "Land." "Night" was practically flawless. "Dawn" began with a tremendous feeling of dread and decay, looped into something a little too whacky (pie fights?) and pulled it back again at the end. For me, "Dawn" was the peak of using the rise of zombies as a metaphor for society. "Day" and "Land" were too hamfisted for my taste. 

A director shouldn't have to shout "see, look, we're worse than them" to get my attention, especially at the expense of realism. "Day," for example, portrayed scientists and the military in a way only a CMU film student could, which took me right out of the film.  "Land" was just silly, even aside from the zombie unionists. The first thing I'd do when the apocolypse comes is toss Dennis Hopper down a well. 

Max Brooks "WWZ" nailed it for me, though. It felt more realistic and that much more horrible. I just re-read it and I still get shudders picturing a shambling corpse wearing a torn Baby Bjorn. However, you could have taken the zombies out of the book and it would still read like a plausible story of society's response to an emerging crisis: Denial, Panic, Breakdown, Rebirth of a changed world.  

I re-read that book this past week and I'll be damned if I don't check for Zombies when I head out to the gym in the early a.m. I hear Brad Pitt's company bough the film rights to the book. Damn shame, actually, it would have made a great limited series on HBO or Showtime. Brooks, if you're out there somewhere, I need some more vignettes of of the Great Panic...it sends me shivering.

Whoa, didn't mean to go on for so long.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the pro-Romero sentiment, although I wasn&#8217;t terribly impressed with &#8220;Day&#8221; or &#8220;Land.&#8221; &#8220;Night&#8221; was practically flawless. &#8220;Dawn&#8221; began with a tremendous feeling of dread and decay, looped into something a little too whacky (pie fights?) and pulled it back again at the end. For me, &#8220;Dawn&#8221; was the peak of using the rise of zombies as a metaphor for society. &#8220;Day&#8221; and &#8220;Land&#8221; were too hamfisted for my taste. </p>
<p>A director shouldn&#8217;t have to shout &#8220;see, look, we&#8217;re worse than them&#8221; to get my attention, especially at the expense of realism. &#8220;Day,&#8221; for example, portrayed scientists and the military in a way only a CMU film student could, which took me right out of the film.  &#8220;Land&#8221; was just silly, even aside from the zombie unionists. The first thing I&#8217;d do when the apocolypse comes is toss Dennis Hopper down a well. </p>
<p>Max Brooks &#8220;WWZ&#8221; nailed it for me, though. It felt more realistic and that much more horrible. I just re-read it and I still get shudders picturing a shambling corpse wearing a torn Baby Bjorn. However, you could have taken the zombies out of the book and it would still read like a plausible story of society&#8217;s response to an emerging crisis: Denial, Panic, Breakdown, Rebirth of a changed world.  </p>
<p>I re-read that book this past week and I&#8217;ll be damned if I don&#8217;t check for Zombies when I head out to the gym in the early a.m. I hear Brad Pitt&#8217;s company bough the film rights to the book. Damn shame, actually, it would have made a great limited series on HBO or Showtime. Brooks, if you&#8217;re out there somewhere, I need some more vignettes of of the Great Panic&#8230;it sends me shivering.</p>
<p>Whoa, didn&#8217;t mean to go on for so long.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34839</link>
		<author>Tobias Buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34839</guid>
					<description>Greg, welcome to tb.com, and good points.

I really need to read WWZ, it's on my 'treat myself' list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, welcome to tb.com, and good points.</p>
<p>I really need to read WWZ, it&#8217;s on my &#8216;treat myself&#8217; list!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34887</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34887</guid>
					<description>Thanks for the personal greeting, Tobias. And good marketing move, now I'm obliged to pick up that copy of Crystal Rain I've been eying at the bookstore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the personal greeting, Tobias. And good marketing move, now I&#8217;m obliged to pick up that copy of Crystal Rain I&#8217;ve been eying at the bookstore.</p>
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		<title>By: Mfitz</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34896</link>
		<author>Mfitz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34896</guid>
					<description>OK, guys I'll give you all those points, but I still personally don't get why people LIKE zombies.  

I have a really low creep out point and just thinking about zomies trips it.  I'm never going to be able to watch enough of any of those movies to get to the social commentary.  I couldn't even watch the Time Warner Movie on Demand trailer of the recent zombie movie re-make without having nightmares.  The Borg on Star Trek had the same effect on me.  

 I'm sure that's some sort of horrible psychological tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, guys I&#8217;ll give you all those points, but I still personally don&#8217;t get why people LIKE zombies.  </p>
<p>I have a really low creep out point and just thinking about zomies trips it.  I&#8217;m never going to be able to watch enough of any of those movies to get to the social commentary.  I couldn&#8217;t even watch the Time Warner Movie on Demand trailer of the recent zombie movie re-make without having nightmares.  The Borg on Star Trek had the same effect on me.  </p>
<p> I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s some sort of horrible psychological tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34897</link>
		<author>Tobias Buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34897</guid>
					<description>Mfitz, do you think it has something to do with the uncanny valley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley

?

tb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mfitz, do you think it has something to do with the uncanny valley:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley</a></p>
<p>?</p>
<p>tb</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34900</link>
		<author>Tobias Buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34900</guid>
					<description>Greg: there's a bookstore with Crystal Rain? Whoever it is, thank them for keeping it on their shelves for so long! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: there&#8217;s a bookstore with Crystal Rain? Whoever it is, thank them for keeping it on their shelves for so long! <img src='http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mfitz</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34912</link>
		<author>Mfitz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-34912</guid>
					<description>Very cool.  I had never heard of that theory before.  Oddly, that idea is a plot point on something I'm writing just now.  Talk about synchronicity.  I have often though things that are just a little bit alien are harder to deal with than things that are outright strange.  I hate when find out someone else has already worked out what I thought was an original idea.

About the zombies, they are just icky.   All that rot and ooze,  and the smell!

If the Borg were so evolved they whould know that when you are that pale a little black pleather goes a long way.  Didn't they assimilate anyone with as fashion sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool.  I had never heard of that theory before.  Oddly, that idea is a plot point on something I&#8217;m writing just now.  Talk about synchronicity.  I have often though things that are just a little bit alien are harder to deal with than things that are outright strange.  I hate when find out someone else has already worked out what I thought was an original idea.</p>
<p>About the zombies, they are just icky.   All that rot and ooze,  and the smell!</p>
<p>If the Borg were so evolved they whould know that when you are that pale a little black pleather goes a long way.  Didn&#8217;t they assimilate anyone with as fashion sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35024</link>
		<author>Tobias Buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35024</guid>
					<description>Well, they're scarier if they dress funny. My working argument is that the Borg concept is actually a techno-democracy, and that we're becoming the Borg, and it's actually a *good* thing, it just looks scary from the outside because realtime neurally enabled voting is eerie :-)

Cool about the uncanny thing. It's why cute robots like the Roomba are easier for us to accept, whereas humanoid robots just wig us out :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they&#8217;re scarier if they dress funny. My working argument is that the Borg concept is actually a techno-democracy, and that we&#8217;re becoming the Borg, and it&#8217;s actually a *good* thing, it just looks scary from the outside because realtime neurally enabled voting is eerie <img src='http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cool about the uncanny thing. It&#8217;s why cute robots like the Roomba are easier for us to accept, whereas humanoid robots just wig us out <img src='http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Defendini</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35106</link>
		<author>Pablo Defendini</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35106</guid>
					<description>Zombies, FTW! 

Mfitz, I have the opposite reaction. I loooove the gore. I suppose it's the titillation that Tobias mentions. I respond very strongly to the social commentary aspects of zombie movies, and I might not be able to watch them if it weren't for that (I really don't enjoy other types of regular gory flicks as much as zombie flicks), but the gore is like icing on the cake. A very red and meaty icing:) I like the realistic stuff, the unintentionally non-realistic and cheesy stuff, and the intentional non-realistic and cheesy stuff, for the most part.

Wow, I just realized that I haven't watched Romero's films in like seven or eight years. Time for a zombie weekend marathon.

[p]

Tobias, just finished Crystal Rain about two weeks ago, btw. Loved it. Thanks for a great read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zombies, FTW! </p>
<p>Mfitz, I have the opposite reaction. I loooove the gore. I suppose it&#8217;s the titillation that Tobias mentions. I respond very strongly to the social commentary aspects of zombie movies, and I might not be able to watch them if it weren&#8217;t for that (I really don&#8217;t enjoy other types of regular gory flicks as much as zombie flicks), but the gore is like icing on the cake. A very red and meaty icing:) I like the realistic stuff, the unintentionally non-realistic and cheesy stuff, and the intentional non-realistic and cheesy stuff, for the most part.</p>
<p>Wow, I just realized that I haven&#8217;t watched Romero&#8217;s films in like seven or eight years. Time for a zombie weekend marathon.</p>
<p>[p]</p>
<p>Tobias, just finished Crystal Rain about two weeks ago, btw. Loved it. Thanks for a great read.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35595</link>
		<author>Tobias Buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35595</guid>
					<description>Pablo, thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed Crystal Rain!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo, thanks, I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed Crystal Rain!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35699</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35699</guid>
					<description>Hey, to follow up, I finally picked up the copy of Crystal Rain. It sat in a bookstore display window for months, taunting me as I made my way to the train each afternoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, to follow up, I finally picked up the copy of Crystal Rain. It sat in a bookstore display window for months, taunting me as I made my way to the train each afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: tobias s buckell</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35701</link>
		<author>tobias s buckell</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35701</guid>
					<description>Well, you're officially a Welcomed Member (tm) of the blog ;-)

Thanks for snagging a copy. Was it a chain bookstore or indy? I'm curious who has a copy this late in the game, I'm still impressed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re officially a Welcomed Member &#8482; of the blog <img src='http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for snagging a copy. Was it a chain bookstore or indy? I&#8217;m curious who has a copy this late in the game, I&#8217;m still impressed!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35718</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2007/03/29/why-zombies/#comment-35718</guid>
					<description>I think it was one of those mall chain type things in Philly's Gallery Mall.  

The place is somewhat neglected (in Philly, we call that "charm"), but I'm frequently shocked, in a pleasant way, by their selection. I plan to read it on my flight to LA next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was one of those mall chain type things in Philly&#8217;s Gallery Mall.  </p>
<p>The place is somewhat neglected (in Philly, we call that &#8220;charm&#8221;), but I&#8217;m frequently shocked, in a pleasant way, by their selection. I plan to read it on my flight to LA next week.</p>
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